Impossible tuning problem! - Sir Sleepalot - 11:07 27-11-05
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Hi everybody
I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
How is that possible?!
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Sacramento Dave - 11:26 27-11-05
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"Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi everybody
>
> I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
> tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
> find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
> out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
>
> How is that possible?!
>
Hard tail or whammy bar? I find with a whammy bar it's a back and forth
operation. Might need to upgrade tuners to locking.
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Patrick Keenan - 11:48 27-11-05
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"Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133107672.261391.19190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hi everybody
>
> I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
> tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
> find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
> out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
>
> How is that possible?!
More details about the guitar, where you keep it, and what exactly you mean
by 'tightened out of tune' would be very helpful. However from a quick
google search, it may be a strat clone.
As noted, if the guitar has any sort of trem or floating bridge, you
*cannot* tune it in one pass. All strings will change pitch as you change
the pitch of one. Raise the pitch of one - the others will drop.
As well, if you break one string, all others will jump up in pitch.
Take a pass to get close (slightly sharp) take another pass to get closer,
don't waste time trying to get each string exactly in tune as the others
will send it out when their turn comes. If you tune the first strings
slightly sharp, the later strings will pull them down closer to tune.
And using some sort of electronic tuner can certainly ease the process.
It should be noted that if you have installed heavier strings on a guitar
like this, you will also need to adjust the bridge springs (tighen them or
add another).
If you do not use the floating feature of the bridge, you can add springs to
it and tighten it so that it does not float up, and you will not have this
tuning problem to anything like this degree.
HTH
-pk
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - tai fu - 12:14 27-11-05
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if the string is new you need to strech them and retune until they stay in
tune. If you have trem then you have do that as well.
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Sir Sleepalot - 12:31 27-11-05
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It is a strat clone with a tremolo bar, which I never use.
When I say "tightened out of tune" I mean the string that was in tune
goes sharp. So I don't think tuning the first strings sharp would help.
I've even tried pulling hard on the E-string and it doesn't affect the
other strings.
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - LULU - 13:02 27-11-05
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I'm not familiar with this brand of guitar but, if it's an acoustic it may
be going sharp as the instrument warms up and the wood expands. I've had
this happen with every brand of acoustic from old Martins to no name,
archtop imports. I have a ukulele which goes sharp rather quickly as it is
played and is warmed by body temperature. My assumption is that the change
occurs so quickly because it's relatively small size only needs to expand
slightly to sharpen the pitch very noticeably.
Good Luck,
Lulu : )
P.S. Electrics react in a similar fashion when taken from a cool
environment such as a closet or closed case and exposed to a heated room.
This is especially true in winter in a northern climate.
"Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133107672.261391.19190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hi everybody
>
> I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
> tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
> find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
> out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
>
> How is that possible?!
>
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Champagne Charlie - 15:21 27-11-05
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"Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133107672.261391.19190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Hi everybody
>
> I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
> tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
> find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
> out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
>
> How is that possible?!
>
It's probably either a 'faulty' (i.e. poor intonation / movement in bidge,
nut or machine heads) guitar, or, you need to 'pull' the strings.
What to do is, tune the guitar in the normal way, then lie it down on it's
back. The grab each string in turn with your right hand wrapping your finger
around each string (about in the middle of the string-length) and literally
'pull' it up until it becomes tight. Give it a few wrenches and let go.
It will be well and truly out of tune now, but re-tune and see if this fixes
the problem.
C.C.
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Larry - 15:36 27-11-05
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I get this, but if I understand correctly, the strings are HIGH out of tune.
I can't explain that one.
-Larry
"Patrick Keenan" <test@dev.null> wrote in message
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> "Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1133107672.261391.19190@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi everybody
>>
>> I have a cheap Behringer guitar. My problem occur when I sit with my
>> tuner and tighten the strings until they're in tune. When I'm done I
>> find that the strings that have rested a while seem to have tightened
>> out of tune BY THEMSELF(!)
>>
>> How is that possible?!
>
> More details about the guitar, where you keep it, and what exactly you
> mean by 'tightened out of tune' would be very helpful. However from a
> quick google search, it may be a strat clone.
>
> As noted, if the guitar has any sort of trem or floating bridge, you
> *cannot* tune it in one pass. All strings will change pitch as you
> change the pitch of one. Raise the pitch of one - the others will drop.
>
> As well, if you break one string, all others will jump up in pitch.
>
> Take a pass to get close (slightly sharp) take another pass to get closer,
> don't waste time trying to get each string exactly in tune as the others
> will send it out when their turn comes. If you tune the first strings
> slightly sharp, the later strings will pull them down closer to tune.
>
> And using some sort of electronic tuner can certainly ease the process.
>
> It should be noted that if you have installed heavier strings on a guitar
> like this, you will also need to adjust the bridge springs (tighen them or
> add another).
>
> If you do not use the floating feature of the bridge, you can add springs
> to it and tighten it so that it does not float up, and you will not have
> this tuning problem to anything like this degree.
>
>
> HTH
> -pk
>
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Patrick Keenan - 16:52 27-11-05
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"Sir Sleepalot" <grumm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It is a strat clone with a tremolo bar, which I never use.
It doesn't matter whether you use it or not, if the bridge is set to float.
> When I say "tightened out of tune" I mean the string that was in tune
> goes sharp. So I don't think tuning the first strings sharp would help.
If this is happening, then what is likely is that the strings are binding in
the nut. You'll turn the gear, the string will move somewhat, but also
bind. Later, the tension will equalize, and the stored tension in the
gear-to-nut section will be added in the nut-to-bridge section, sending that
section sharp.
You may hear 'pinging' noises when tuning, and if you pluck the string and
listen as you turn the gear, the pitch will not change smooothly.
This is often a symptom of installing strings that are heavier than the nut
slots were cut for, or the nut wearing.
In either case a quick fix can be to simply lift the string out of the
slot, roll the tip of a sharpened pencil in the slot (this applies graphite
as a lubricant) and put the string back in.
In the longer term the nut should be looked at and probably have the slots
widened. While this seems simple, it is in fact a fairly skilled bit of
work; it's very easy to render the guitar almost unplayable.
> I've even tried pulling hard on the E-string and it doesn't affect the
> other strings.
Then the bridge is probably not set to float.
HTH
-pk
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Re: Impossible tuning problem! - Marko - 16:55 27-11-05
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i think u need to tune up the octaves (excuse me if my english is not good,
i'm not from USA).
If your flat tone (i'm not sure that is the right expression) on 12th fret
is lower than wire u need to pull that thing that holds the wire near to
bridge or should i say "make the wire longer", and if it's higher push it
the other direction...
I know that i didn't help a thing... but i did try... i don't know all those
words on english... only on my mother tounge
good luck
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