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52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Burnham Treezdown - 18:05 02-12-05
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I bought it (my first Tele) to be sure I was getting the REAL Tele,
but it lacked the aggressive snap & spank I was looking for, plus the
noise was incredible. Replaced the pups with a Bill Lawrence
280N-290TL set, which are more refined and quiet, but the neck pup is
more Stratty than Tele. Just got off the phone with Becky & she
verified that is Bill's intent, the Tele 280 is like the Strat 280
downsized to fit. I want that clear & woody traditional Tele sound,
particularly in the neck when playing playing clean or barely
overdriven.
Without spending mega-hundreds on boo-teek pups what should I be
looking for? How about Duncans, Dimarzios or others in that range?
What about replacing the bridge machinery with a Callaham? His tremolo
block did wonders for an ESP Strat I had.
I'm as suspicious of the hardware & finish as I am of the pickups. I
wonder if that thick layer of clear plastic finish is subduing
resonance.
BTW, I'm using mainly a Deluxe Reverb RI with an Alltone speaker, so
tone is certainly not an amp issue.
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Bruce Morgen - 19:56 02-12-05
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I've heard the Tele neck
pickup sound called a lot
of things, but "clear &
woody" ain't one of them
-- to me, most traditional
Tele neck pickups (the ones
with chromed brass covers)
sound dull and indistinct,
pretty much unusable at any
amp setting at which the
bridge pickup sounds good.
Most Tele pickers never use
it alone, but only blended
with the bridge pickup as a
sort of "twang limiter."
The exceptions, like the
late Jimmy Bryant, used
*only* the neck pickup and
adjusted their amps
accordingly.
On the other hand, lots of
great Tele players choose
Strat neck pickups -- the
late Clarence White, Jerry
Donahue, and first-call
Nashville session guy Brent
Mason all went that route.
Fwiw, both my Teles have
Strat neck pickups too --
so BL isn't alone in seeing
that a as more useful neck
position choice in a Tele.
My recommendation would be
to try out a Fender SCN Tele
neck pickup if the L-280TN
is too "Stratty" for you --
it has a chromed nickel-
silver cover that has less
of a muffling effect than
traditional brass, and since
it's a BL design it'll blend
and balance well with your
L-290TL. They're not
available at retail (yet),
but eBay seller
"reliablefender" often has
working pulls (seemingly
parted-out from American
Deluxe Teles that were
unsellable as new) available
via auction.
Burnham Treezdown <dolphins@inmy.net> wrote:
>
>I bought it (my first Tele) to be sure I was getting the REAL Tele,
>but it lacked the aggressive snap & spank I was looking for, plus the
>noise was incredible. Replaced the pups with a Bill Lawrence
>280N-290TL set, which are more refined and quiet, but the neck pup is
>more Stratty than Tele. Just got off the phone with Becky & she
>verified that is Bill's intent, the Tele 280 is like the Strat 280
>downsized to fit. I want that clear & woody traditional Tele sound,
>particularly in the neck when playing playing clean or barely
>overdriven.
>
>Without spending mega-hundreds on boo-teek pups what should I be
>looking for? How about Duncans, Dimarzios or others in that range?
>What about replacing the bridge machinery with a Callaham? His tremolo
>block did wonders for an ESP Strat I had.
>
>I'm as suspicious of the hardware & finish as I am of the pickups. I
>wonder if that thick layer of clear plastic finish is subduing
>resonance.
>
>BTW, I'm using mainly a Deluxe Reverb RI with an Alltone speaker, so
>tone is certainly not an amp issue.
Disclaimer: I have
consulted as a technical
editor for William
Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
and "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Tony Done - 21:09 02-12-05
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Does anyone take the covers off tele neck pickups to get more sparkle, as
has become pretty much standard for humbuckers?
Tony D
"Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
news:2op1p1hontclb6mraf6n53gibfr400i5qj@4ax.com...
>
> I've heard the Tele neck
> pickup sound called a lot
> of things, but "clear &
> woody" ain't one of them
> -- to me, most traditional
> Tele neck pickups (the ones
> with chromed brass covers)
> sound dull and indistinct,
> pretty much unusable at any
> amp setting at which the
> bridge pickup sounds good.
> Most Tele pickers never use
> it alone, but only blended
> with the bridge pickup as a
> sort of "twang limiter."
> The exceptions, like the
> late Jimmy Bryant, used
> *only* the neck pickup and
> adjusted their amps
> accordingly.
>
> On the other hand, lots of
> great Tele players choose
> Strat neck pickups -- the
> late Clarence White, Jerry
> Donahue, and first-call
> Nashville session guy Brent
> Mason all went that route.
> Fwiw, both my Teles have
> Strat neck pickups too --
> so BL isn't alone in seeing
> that a as more useful neck
> position choice in a Tele.
>
> My recommendation would be
> to try out a Fender SCN Tele
> neck pickup if the L-280TN
> is too "Stratty" for you --
> it has a chromed nickel-
> silver cover that has less
> of a muffling effect than
> traditional brass, and since
> it's a BL design it'll blend
> and balance well with your
> L-290TL. They're not
> available at retail (yet),
> but eBay seller
> "reliablefender" often has
> working pulls (seemingly
> parted-out from American
> Deluxe Teles that were
> unsellable as new) available
> via auction.
>
>
> Burnham Treezdown <dolphins@inmy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>I bought it (my first Tele) to be sure I was getting the REAL Tele,
>>but it lacked the aggressive snap & spank I was looking for, plus the
>>noise was incredible. Replaced the pups with a Bill Lawrence
>>280N-290TL set, which are more refined and quiet, but the neck pup is
>>more Stratty than Tele. Just got off the phone with Becky & she
>>verified that is Bill's intent, the Tele 280 is like the Strat 280
>>downsized to fit. I want that clear & woody traditional Tele sound,
>>particularly in the neck when playing playing clean or barely
>>overdriven.
>>
>>Without spending mega-hundreds on boo-teek pups what should I be
>>looking for? How about Duncans, Dimarzios or others in that range?
>>What about replacing the bridge machinery with a Callaham? His tremolo
>>block did wonders for an ESP Strat I had.
>>
>>I'm as suspicious of the hardware & finish as I am of the pickups. I
>>wonder if that thick layer of clear plastic finish is subduing
>>resonance.
>>
>>BTW, I'm using mainly a Deluxe Reverb RI with an Alltone speaker, so
>>tone is certainly not an amp issue.
>
>
> Disclaimer: I have
> consulted as a technical
> editor for William
> Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
> and "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>
>
>
> ................................................................
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Bruce Morgen - 21:36 02-12-05
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It was done more often
way back in the day than
it is now, because the
operation is pretty risky
on that style of pickup
and there are lots of
uncovered or plastic-
covered replacement
pickups nowadays, so you
can make the change
easily reversible and
preserve the resale value
of the guitar.
"Tony Done" <tonydone@bigpond.com> wrote:
>Does anyone take the covers off tele neck pickups to get more sparkle, as
>has become pretty much standard for humbuckers?
>
>Tony D
>
>"Bruce Morgen" <editor@juno.com> wrote in message
>news:2op1p1hontclb6mraf6n53gibfr400i5qj@4ax.com...
>>
>> I've heard the Tele neck
>> pickup sound called a lot
>> of things, but "clear &
>> woody" ain't one of them
>> -- to me, most traditional
>> Tele neck pickups (the ones
>> with chromed brass covers)
>> sound dull and indistinct,
>> pretty much unusable at any
>> amp setting at which the
>> bridge pickup sounds good.
>> Most Tele pickers never use
>> it alone, but only blended
>> with the bridge pickup as a
>> sort of "twang limiter."
>> The exceptions, like the
>> late Jimmy Bryant, used
>> *only* the neck pickup and
>> adjusted their amps
>> accordingly.
>>
>> On the other hand, lots of
>> great Tele players choose
>> Strat neck pickups -- the
>> late Clarence White, Jerry
>> Donahue, and first-call
>> Nashville session guy Brent
>> Mason all went that route.
>> Fwiw, both my Teles have
>> Strat neck pickups too --
>> so BL isn't alone in seeing
>> that a as more useful neck
>> position choice in a Tele.
>>
>> My recommendation would be
>> to try out a Fender SCN Tele
>> neck pickup if the L-280TN
>> is too "Stratty" for you --
>> it has a chromed nickel-
>> silver cover that has less
>> of a muffling effect than
>> traditional brass, and since
>> it's a BL design it'll blend
>> and balance well with your
>> L-290TL. They're not
>> available at retail (yet),
>> but eBay seller
>> "reliablefender" often has
>> working pulls (seemingly
>> parted-out from American
>> Deluxe Teles that were
>> unsellable as new) available
>> via auction.
>>
>>
>> Burnham Treezdown <dolphins@inmy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I bought it (my first Tele) to be sure I was getting the REAL Tele,
>>>but it lacked the aggressive snap & spank I was looking for, plus the
>>>noise was incredible. Replaced the pups with a Bill Lawrence
>>>280N-290TL set, which are more refined and quiet, but the neck pup is
>>>more Stratty than Tele. Just got off the phone with Becky & she
>>>verified that is Bill's intent, the Tele 280 is like the Strat 280
>>>downsized to fit. I want that clear & woody traditional Tele sound,
>>>particularly in the neck when playing playing clean or barely
>>>overdriven.
>>>
>>>Without spending mega-hundreds on boo-teek pups what should I be
>>>looking for? How about Duncans, Dimarzios or others in that range?
>>>What about replacing the bridge machinery with a Callaham? His tremolo
>>>block did wonders for an ESP Strat I had.
>>>
>>>I'm as suspicious of the hardware & finish as I am of the pickups. I
>>>wonder if that thick layer of clear plastic finish is subduing
>>>resonance.
>>>
>>>BTW, I'm using mainly a Deluxe Reverb RI with an Alltone speaker, so
>>>tone is certainly not an amp issue.
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer: I have
>> consulted as a technical
>> editor for William
>> Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
>> and "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
>>
>>
>>
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Burnham Treezdown - 21:53 02-12-05
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On Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:09:10 GMT, "Tony Done" <tonydone@bigpond.com>
wrote:
>Does anyone take the covers off tele neck pickups to get more sparkle, as
>has become pretty much standard for humbuckers?
Can they be taken off? I haven't looked, but I thought they were waxed
in.
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Burnham Treezdown - 23:14 02-12-05
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:56:44 -0500, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
wrote:
>
>I've heard the Tele neck
>pickup sound called a lot
>of things, but "clear &
>woody" ain't one of them
By woody I mean the way the pickup being screwed into the wood seems
to pick up some kind of acoustic characteristics I've never heard from
a Strat. Seems to be most noticeable with maple necks...the sound of
knuckles bending. And by clear I mean just that; not necessarily
bright, but well-defined with no low-mid mud. Probably the tones I
liked the most weren't coming from stock Fender pups. They sure didn't
come from mine. But I'm wondering how much of that sound is in the
pickups and how much is built into the Tele's structure. A good Tele,
anyway.
The exceptions, like the
>late Jimmy Bryant, used
>*only* the neck pickup and
>adjusted their amps
>accordingly.
What I really like about the BL's is I get a good sound from both pups
with the same amp settings. Same with the 280 set on my Strat, but
perhaps that same kind of "refined" quality is not what I want from a
Tele.
Becky told me they didn't really have vintage-sounding Tele pickups.
Even they special-wound me a 200 Tele neck, it would still sound
Stratty.
> and first-call
>Nashville session guy Brent
>Mason all went that route.
I always saw his main Tele with a small humbucker in the neck.
>My recommendation would be
>to try out a Fender SCN Tele
>neck pickup
>"reliablefender" often has
I'm watching one now.
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Re: 52RI Tele - not getting THAT tone - Bruce Morgen - 11:13 03-12-05
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Burnham Treezdown <dolphins@inmy.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:56:44 -0500, Bruce Morgen <editor@juno.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>I've heard the Tele neck
>>pickup sound called a lot
>>of things, but "clear &
>>woody" ain't one of them
>
>By woody I mean the way the pickup being screwed into the wood seems
>to pick up some kind of acoustic characteristics I've never heard from
>a Strat. Seems to be most noticeable with maple necks...the sound of
>knuckles bending. And by clear I mean just that; not necessarily
>bright, but well-defined with no low-mid mud. Probably the tones I
>liked the most weren't coming from stock Fender pups. They sure didn't
>come from mine. But I'm wondering how much of that sound is in the
>pickups and how much is built into the Tele's structure. A good Tele,
>anyway.
I don't think that has anything
to do with how the pickup is
mounted, but you're on to
something about a good all-
maple neck. My partcaster has
that quality, and it doesn't
have any Tele pickups in it,
but it does have a very dense
(heavy!) body and a highly
resonant, all-maple neck -- it
has a woody sound to it that
reminds of a marimba, and I
think it might be a matter of
"the luck of the draw" with
the lumber used to make the
necks. Iow, some Teles (and
Tele-style clones like mine)
have it and some don't.
>
>The exceptions, like the
>>late Jimmy Bryant, used
>>*only* the neck pickup and
>>adjusted their amps
>>accordingly.
>
>What I really like about the BL's is I get a good sound from both pups
>with the same amp settings.
Yup, that's how BL (and
yours truly, fwiw) like it
-- it makes a Tele into a
truly practical two-
pickup guitar imo.
>Same with the 280 set on my Strat, but
>perhaps that same kind of "refined" quality is not what I want from a
>Tele.
Could be, that'd be your
call -- pretty much all
noiseless Tele pickups
would be a bit more
refined than a traditional
Fender-style single-coil
pickup because of the effect
of the hum-cancelling coil,
which tends to smooth out
the reponse curve.
>
>Becky told me they didn't really have vintage-sounding Tele pickups.
>Even they special-wound me a 200 Tele neck, it would still sound
>Stratty.
>
Yeah, she's certainly right
about that.
>
>> and first-call
>>Nashville session guy Brent
>>Mason all went that route.
>
>I always saw his main Tele with a small humbucker in the neck.
>
Yup -- he has his Strat
pickup in the middle
position, connected via
a blending control!
>
>>My recommendation would be
>>to try out a Fender SCN Tele
>>neck pickup
>>"reliablefender" often has
>
>I'm watching one now.
Let me know how it works
out for you -- good luck!
_____
Disclaimer: I have
consulted as a technical
editor for William
Lawrence Designs (Wilde),
and "Bill Lawrence Guitars"
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